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	<title>Comments on: The two divides in digital access: income and refuseniks</title>
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		<title>By: ICTlogy &#187; SociedadRed &#187; La inutilidad de la banda ancha</title>
		<link>http://ictlogy.net/20100220-the-two-divides-in-digital-access-income-and-refuseniks/comment-page-1/#comment-130254</link>
		<dc:creator>ICTlogy &#187; SociedadRed &#187; La inutilidad de la banda ancha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hay un grupo de personas que siguen sin verle utilidad a Internet, y es ese grupo de personas los que, con toda lógica, encuentran poco prioritario que el Gobierno [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hay un grupo de personas que siguen sin verle utilidad a Internet, y es ese grupo de personas los que, con toda lógica, encuentran poco prioritario que el Gobierno [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Peña-López</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ismael Peña-López</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that I am not that optimistic does not mean that I am taht pessimistic ;)

I think changes are possible, but we shouldn&#039;t take them for granted and achieving some goals will require quite some efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that I am not that optimistic does not mean that I am taht pessimistic ;)</p>
<p>I think changes are possible, but we shouldn&#8217;t take them for granted and achieving some goals will require quite some efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Oriol Miralbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oriol Miralbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ismael. When you say &quot;The more time I devote to studying the Information Society the lest optimistic I am that ICTs will change the main structures of the world, but I also am the more pessimistic that lack of them will end up with entire societies and ways of living.&quot; it comes to  my mind some statements made by Manuel Castells about the complementarity of many ICT solutions instead of the expected replacement of old ones.

The forces that have moved the world haven&#039;t changed since the beginning. Power and strenth superiority have dictated the most important events in history. ICT meant in its start, as for many new communication environments, an opportunity to define some secanrios of freedom and equal opportunities, but the power of strong actors is dictating the rules placing pressure on the politicians to restrict freedom inside the Internet. Democracy will take place in the same conditions as always. People, citizens will have to fight to protect their rights and interests by counterbalancing economic powerful interests, with the power of votes and open fora.

The case of thecopyrights&#039; protection forced by the media companies (not the authors), the difference of quality and prices of Internet access, in the different countries, according to non social reasons, but to mere speculative ones; and the understanding that some carriers like Telefonica or Vodafone that they are the masters of the network and those who provide services and increase the traffic load in the network should pay for it (instead of getting payed for attracting more users and providing usefulness to the network - say Google), are examples of how the expected free communication highway is becoming another selective communication environment. 

Nothing&#039;s different after 60,000 years. Isn&#039;t it so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ismael. When you say &#8220;The more time I devote to studying the Information Society the lest optimistic I am that ICTs will change the main structures of the world, but I also am the more pessimistic that lack of them will end up with entire societies and ways of living.&#8221; it comes to  my mind some statements made by Manuel Castells about the complementarity of many ICT solutions instead of the expected replacement of old ones.</p>
<p>The forces that have moved the world haven&#8217;t changed since the beginning. Power and strenth superiority have dictated the most important events in history. ICT meant in its start, as for many new communication environments, an opportunity to define some secanrios of freedom and equal opportunities, but the power of strong actors is dictating the rules placing pressure on the politicians to restrict freedom inside the Internet. Democracy will take place in the same conditions as always. People, citizens will have to fight to protect their rights and interests by counterbalancing economic powerful interests, with the power of votes and open fora.</p>
<p>The case of thecopyrights&#8217; protection forced by the media companies (not the authors), the difference of quality and prices of Internet access, in the different countries, according to non social reasons, but to mere speculative ones; and the understanding that some carriers like Telefonica or Vodafone that they are the masters of the network and those who provide services and increase the traffic load in the network should pay for it (instead of getting payed for attracting more users and providing usefulness to the network &#8211; say Google), are examples of how the expected free communication highway is becoming another selective communication environment. </p>
<p>Nothing&#8217;s different after 60,000 years. Isn&#8217;t it so?</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Peña-López</title>
		<link>http://ictlogy.net/20100220-the-two-divides-in-digital-access-income-and-refuseniks/comment-page-1/#comment-115850</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Peña-López</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, Ewout, you&#039;re right. I&#039;ll correct this ASAP. Thanks for pointing it out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, Ewout, you&#8217;re right. I&#8217;ll correct this ASAP. Thanks for pointing it out!</p>
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		<title>By: Ewout ter Haar</title>
		<link>http://ictlogy.net/20100220-the-two-divides-in-digital-access-income-and-refuseniks/comment-page-1/#comment-115827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ewout ter Haar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; it is still astonishing that a third of the population still do not find any utility in going online&quot;. 

As I understood the numbers in the report, it&#039;s 1/3 of the 1/3 that do not have broadband access that do not want it. Ten percent does not seem something to worry about. On the other hand, the twenty or so percent that cannot afford it are very important to worry about, off course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; it is still astonishing that a third of the population still do not find any utility in going online&#8221;. </p>
<p>As I understood the numbers in the report, it&#8217;s 1/3 of the 1/3 that do not have broadband access that do not want it. Ten percent does not seem something to worry about. On the other hand, the twenty or so percent that cannot afford it are very important to worry about, off course.</p>
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